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ded_maxim ([personal profile] ded_maxim) wrote2005-06-10 11:16 am

Флобер о демократии

Разбирал бумаги и нашел вот это, записанное на обороте чека из Reckless Records:
The entire dream of democracy is to raise the proletariat to the level of bourgeois stupidity.
-- Gustave Flaubert

[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
If you want to listen to Chomsky, speak out. The best part is the gusto with which he quotes somebody: "Bewildered herd" - about you and (especially) me.

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[identity profile] nnikif.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Извините, а в какой связи состоит Хомский с Флобером? Он его научил плохому?

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[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
It was an off, of course. Presently I could not say anything about Flaubert, so it was wild digression.

Although, on the second thought, both are (were) equally clear and cynical thinkers, especially on behalf of there time and mores.

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[identity profile] nnikif.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid one can't call Chomsky a clear thinker -- his concern is much more with effects than causes. Not that Flaubert was a sociological and phylosophical genius.

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[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-10 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
One always judges the clarity of another one's thought within the limits put by that of one's own. (That's about me)

Besides, you say 'clear' but mean 'deep'. 'Clear thinking' to me is an ability to take a phenomenon and serve it to the public in a well articulated way. To think of it, I would hardly expect a phylosophical genius from an immediatelly influential author.

[identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com 2005-06-11 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I want to listen to Chomsky. We are in Chicago all next week, by the way. What are you up to?

[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-11 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Good. Will think of something. Do you do p2p?

[identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com 2005-06-13 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
No p2p, unfortunately. Perhaps you should come over to our place sometime this week, for yet another installment of the "Italian sausage seminar series".

[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-13 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
How about sausaging up somewhere near the lake?

[identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com 2005-06-13 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be vastly preferrable to other variants.

[identity profile] sguez.livejournal.com 2005-06-13 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Sold.