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There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

Date: 2009-03-20 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wsobchak.livejournal.com
Even as a teenager, I thought they were both completely unreadable.

Date: 2009-03-20 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wsobchak.livejournal.com
of course, it speaks well for libertarianism that it's persuasive enough to overcome the terrible writing style of Ayn Rand. I can't think of any socialist novel equally persuasive, even though there have been many talented socialist authors.

Date: 2009-03-20 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
It would be a mistake to conflate Ayn Rand's views with libertarianism as a whole, although, sadly, most "libertarians" that hang out on the Internets do belong to the Randian "fuck you, I've got mine" variety. Yet another unfortunate fact is that the actual point of Atlas Shrugged totally escapes them, and the point is this: you, whoever you are, are not John Galt.

Date: 2009-03-20 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wsobchak.livejournal.com
I never got past the first twenty pages, dude.

As far as the "fuck you, I've got mine" people, I much prefer them to the "I'm fucked, give me yours" variety.

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Date: 2009-03-20 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ala-ina.livejournal.com
eh, I just had to explain to a 32 year old why one shouldn't be reading Atlas Shrugged. I last for about two minutes and then just start hitting on the head with the nearest object. Fortunately Atlas Shrugged came in quite handy at this part of the conversation

Date: 2009-03-20 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
Why bother with anything else when there is Illuminatus!, right?

Date: 2009-03-20 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ala-ina.livejournal.com
AND ... The Third Policemen

Date: 2009-03-20 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vedroid.livejournal.com
Рэнд - это Чернышевский для особых извращенцев.

Я не могу понять, как люди, которых Чернышевским в школе доставали, могут это УГ читать.

Date: 2009-03-20 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
Да даже не Чернышевский, а соцреализм (только с противоположным знаком).

Date: 2009-03-20 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vedroid.livejournal.com
Ну, Чернышевского при наличии неполиткорректного чувства юмора читать можно, как записки из жизни уродцев.

Баба сбегает от родителей, чтобы жить с двумя мужиками. Подробно выписаны протоколы, как сохранить при групповухе ритуалы "приличий", путём грамотного стука в дверь при разделении доступа к телу. Масса идиотской революционной пропаганды, сопровождающейся обжиманием между потными мужиками. Одна из положительных героинь - шлюха, которой в парижском борделе оттягали сиськи до пупа. Буквально.

Date: 2009-03-20 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simonff.livejournal.com
Я впервые читал Atlas Shrugged, когда был мелкий и впечатлительный, и сначала даже понравилось. Но потом дошел до сцены, когда либертарианцы в их коренном хабитате расплачиваются с друзьями золотом за все бытовые услуги, а на отказ принять оплату обижаются, после чего много ржал и перестал принимать автора всерьез.

Date: 2009-03-20 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aite.livejournal.com
А Чернышевский - для обычных извращенцев?

Date: 2009-03-20 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com
http://ygam.livejournal.com/528362.html?thread=5212906#t5212906

Date: 2009-03-20 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
Мне кажется, или этот прием типичен исключительно для англоязычной культуры?

Date: 2009-03-20 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
Возможно, хотя я и не уверен полностью.

Date: 2009-03-20 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lestp.livejournal.com
Llove of reading - the other vice that causes blindness and leads young men to ruin.
(c) Stoppard, по памяти

Date: 2009-03-20 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
Это пять.

Date: 2009-03-21 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
Зачот!

Date: 2009-03-23 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmm.livejournal.com
"одна из вечных проблем России легко решается применением асфальтоукладчика, но с дорогами-то что делать?".

но это вполне может быть под влиянием ВАК, поскольку относительно новое.

Date: 2009-03-23 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spamsink.livejournal.com
Не слышал раньше и спросонья не сразу въехал. :) Подумал на "в России нет дорог, а есть направления". ВАК - это Вездесущая Американская Культура?

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Date: 2009-03-23 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vsha.livejournal.com
слушай, пару дней собирался ответить на это пост, но всё забывал
а ты видел недавнего колберта на тему ayn rand?

Date: 2009-03-23 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com
О, я как раз захотел дать ссылку.

Date: 2009-03-23 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vsha.livejournal.com
ещё на фоксе выстулал Yaron Brook за месяц дотого.
тоже было забавно. я даже не знал, что есть такая религиозная организация объективистов.

idiot Glen Beck and Yaron Brook

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Date: 2009-03-23 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ygam.livejournal.com
Смотри, чё я надыбал (http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/john-galt-corp-purchasing-agent-indicted). Как тебе название компании?

Date: 2009-03-23 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ded-maxim.livejournal.com
Оооо! Я, по крайней мере, ничуть не удивлен тому, что на Рэнд надрачивают в основном как раз те самые люди, которые, согласно ее философии, являются чистой воды паразитами.

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